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There are only 2 genders
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The term "Gender" only ever came to be because of the humor found in using the term "Sex". The word "Gender" is derrivative of the Latin word "Genus" which is meant to be a classification. Essentially it's slang for the noun "Sex" as in What is the sex of the child?
It's intellectually dishonest to agree that there are only two sexes but multiple genders. That would be like saying you can always be trusted to keep secrets but you spill the beans all the time....it makes no sense.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Having a psychiatric disorder (like gender dysphoria) is not the same as being a member of a 3rd or 4th gender.
There are only 2 genders with some ambiguous mutations between the 2.
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Once you live on your own cash, life honestly becomes much much better. At least I believe so and have yet to see different.
Money does buy happiness but if you are worried about making even more money then you aren't spending enough.
I don't care how poor you grew up or how insulting this is to you. I don't care what any bully on this forum says or what limits on your income you have at your current job. Work towards the dream of relying only on yourself as much as possible and then you can be the transgender who identifies as a pelican and noone who would bully you is gonna affect you all that much as you can pay for security guards and stuff.
Let working towards the level of freedom be a reward in itself. Don't let the world break you... Because trust me if you let it, it will.
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I have nothing against transgender people. Modify your body and act however you want if you're not hurting anyone.
But the medical condition of gender dysphoria requires counseling. People commit suicide because of this and surgical reassignment statistically does not help this.
This is the only mental disorder where the treatment is making your delusions a reality. We need to stop telling people that they actually are whatever they self identify as.
Imagine if we treated paranoid schizophrenia by sending people out to get you.
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@someone234
I understand that. I was just making an analogy to show the absurdity.
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I already agreed with you that theres nothing wrong with transgenderism.
I said gender dysphoria needs treatment.
I dont treat a headache because it hurts others, i treat it because it hurts me.
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Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort caused by the conflict between your actual gender and the gender you identify with. This has nothing to do with external bullying, though I agree that bullying contributes to depression and needs to also be treated. That being said, "fight the bullies" is a futile practice. Teaching them to cope with bullying makes much more sense.
The difference between your gender and your identity is not caused by society. Otherwise, the patient would also be included in the society that believes there are gender norms and are equally to blame for the discomfort. Hence, once again, the need for treatment.
If someone truly believes that gender is non-binary, they would experience no dysphoria since they don't acknowledge a connection between their identity and their genetics.
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@someone234
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
Here is a study done in Sweden (reletively gay-friendly) showing that gender reassignment increases psychological problems up to and including suicide.
But this is irrelevant. The topic of this thread is about how many genders there are. Please provide an example of a 3rd gender.
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You are confusing sex with gender. Sex is basically if you are man or woman according to your sexual organs, while gender is how your likes, behavior, identity, is consistent with your biological characteristics.
According to the oxford dictionary gender is:
Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender
Transgender is definitely not, as you said "multiple genders". Transgender is when you don't identify with your biological characteristics. For example, when a biological woman psychologically identifies as a man. It does not in any way mean multiple genders.
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Intersex conditions (hormones, chromosomes, genitalia, sexual characteristics, etc., which are not exclusively male or female) illustrate sex is a spectrum with male and female at either extreme. Given that gender is partially determined by sex it cannot be binary either.
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Both of you (and me) agree that the Software (gender) part is a lot less binary than we make it out to be. I grew up a very emotional boy and was teased for it. It was very hurtful and I didn't enjoy having to hate my life because I sucked at sports but trust me I was brutally teased for it every PE/gym class. Always the last or second last picked for team sports depending how they felt about the fat kid or the even more feminine guy... Always the one who would be pointed at and laughed if someone did bad at the sport "AT least I'm not someone234 (inserted in place of my real name)"
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Both sex (hardware) and gender (software) are a spectrum between 2 identifications. It's non-binary in the sense that there are grey areas between, but it is binary the sense that there are still only 2 poles.
Intersexual hardware mutations and transgender identities do not produce a 3rd gender. Intersexual people have some level of biological ambiguity as to which of the 2 sexes they fit into, and transgender people stray from the cultural norms generally applied to the sex assigned by genetics, but still within the 2 genders.
Its like light and dark. This is a binary system on a sliding scale between the 2 poles. There is no third state of light and dark.
No one has been able to point to a 3rd gender.
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Something between 'hot' and 'cold'?
Something between Solid and gas (and before you say 'liquid isn't in genders' there is a state of being called gender-fluid where someone is truly in between and doesn't identify with either and yet identifies with both all at once).
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I guess that there are only sexes which is definitely true but homosexuals are the third gender. Transgender should be counted as a gender because it's how people define themselves as.
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However, the question is about gender, not sex. I definitely think that there are only two sexes because you are born with either boy or girl parts and you develop as a girl or boy would. However, gender is a whole different spectrum and there is more than 2.
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@averyapro
Homosexuality is not a gender, it's sexual preference. Transgender has been well defined in this thread, I'm not going to define it again. It is not a 3rd gender.
@someone234
Even in defence of non-binary gender, you can't escape the binary terminology. You keep saying "either" and "both", "one" or "the other".
existence of ambiguity between 2 poles does not constitute a 3rd pole.
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You are turning a proven analogue measurement into a digital one. If you want to stay as a transphobic Theist who can't think outside the box then stay that way but your stubbornness hurts you more than the ones you bully in the long run as the anger and discomfort the intolerance causes to your hormones cause high blood pressure which steadily reduces life-span.
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"transphobic Theist....bully"
You're not very good at reading comprehension if you think I'm any one of these things.
@someone234
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From my second post in this thread:
"I have nothing against transgender people. Modify your body and act however you want if you're not hurting anyone."
=transphobic?
Theist? Aren't you and I arguing in another debate where my stated position is that a hypothetical God is evil? What makes you think I'm a theist?
Again from my post earlier in this thread:
"...though I agree that bullying contributes to depression and needs to also be treated."
=Bully?
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Don't get your hopes up that I'm going to defend a strawman.
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So, the question pertains to “gender,” and for this I’d like to first explain a concept that will shed some light on what I’m talking about, so bear with the slight, seemingly off-topic point.
Social facts. Durkheim elaborated this to be: “a category of facts which present very special characteristics: they consist of manners of acting, thinking, and feeling external to the individual, which are invested with a coercive power by virtue of which they exercise control over him." [1] That is to say, social facts are behaviours you learn from your culture, and this can reflect in your thinking, in how you behave, and how you come to feel towards certain events, etiquette, values, so on and so forth down that same vein. Fear of crime (in the social manifestations) have been deemed according to sociological textbooks to be a social fact. The same applies to sickness (not the symptoms.) In relation to sickness, this is seen as where we go when we are sick. In some tribal places, they may visit the witch doctor or sacred places to ward off spirits that are making them ill. In first world countries, we’d take a trip to the doctor if it’s severe and take medicine, including a good rest. These social facts are found, also, through the scientific method, thus coining it as a social fact.
Sociologists enjoy coming across social facts, and these social facts are found in a lot of different variations in different fields. Some time ago, the perceptions of women and men became included. When we think of a man in a first world country, we often visualise a built or lean man with short hair. Perhaps we envision him to be a soldier or a sports player, a construction worker perhaps. A man that is capable of working on cars. While these are traditional perceptions, it is still somewhat common, and at one point in time it most definitely was a norm. In analysing common behaviours, roles, and visualisations, and such and such, sociologists used the term “gender” to coin the social reflection. It is not contingent on sex, even though biology does contribute to many of the qualities that come to create genders.
Sociologists study these variations, and this does not just apply to first world countries or massive ones at that, but also tribal places or smaller communities. For the sake of maintaining this to be a somewhat short post, I’ll use the “muxe” of Mexico. In short, this is considered to be a third gender, emphasised by the fact that they don’t coin themselves to be a woman or a man, but a “muxe.” Their language has isolated third pronouns, making it a new gender identity. They have their own roles, visualisations, and behaviours. For all intents and purposes, it fits within the sociological definition of “gender.” [2][3]
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[1] http://durkheim.uchicago.edu/Summaries/rules.html
[2] https://ethnicstudies.ucr.edu/people/faculty/mirande/Hombres_Mujeres.pdf
[3] https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=mfsfront;c=mfs;c=mfsfront;idno=ark5583.0021.101;rgn=main;view=text;xc=1;g=mfsg
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
- David Ricardo
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Well isn't the Big Bang a higher power? Can you name anything on earth (or other planets) as small as that quantum speck was that suddenly inflated with a Big-Bang creating everything that we see?
I believe what you mean is that "genders were not made by Bible God", .. but the almighty WeMan who knows better.
BB-Evolutionists: "We know the universe, the earth and all the life/animals on it happened, period. It happened with no plan or will on anyone or anything, gradually over billions of years! Only fools and science haters would suggest I.D. by a higher power, .. but we are working hard on intelligently designing an intellectual movement that aims to transform the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellect and physiology, including intelligently planning and designing superior body parts through bionics. Where evolution failed (like in gender identification), WeMan will correct it with I.D."
... what hypocrisy!? But that's Religion for you.
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